The Rights and the Wrongs

I won’t reblog here the article over at the Void today; most people who have blogs and comment will know about the blog. Similarly to the other day, I’m not happy reblogging blogs that have bad language in them, and I don’t fully agree with the sentiment of the blog.

Certain people have commented recently how the comments section has really deteriorated. It’s been a playing ground for arguments and put downs; that’s why I don’t read much of the Guardian newspaper’s comments. or any other newspaper’s, because it’s childish banter that adds nothing to the discussion.

The subject was the attack on the cereal shop in Shoreditch the other day by ‘Class War’. I made this comment:

I just feel a bit disappointed really.

Smashing the windows of a bank or hitting back at abusive police practices during a protest is one thing, but scaring children – whatever you think of their parents – is quite another.

It’s these sorts of things that just make the government crack down harder on people, and justify the fact that they’re about to clamp down big style over the next year, taking away our right to speak out on issues on blogs like these, and in protest groups, so that in the end no one is allowed to speak out at all: It plays into their hands.

I’ve been a long time reader of this blog – don’t think I am not totally for the sentiments often expressed here – but I’m not going to support violence, whoever that’s against, because it just does not work. History shows that violent revolutions beget violent new regimes; there has to be another way.

Someone replied to me:


…………….but the government use violence hidden as legislation that has caused far more deaths.
What is worse, scaring children or leaving them on the streets homeless to face a life of poverty ?
Why do you think the government wish to redefine the way it seeks to assess child poverty?
……………..If you want to sit down and let somebody piss on you from a great height, fine!
Nothing was ever achieved by doing absolutely nothing, let the fireworks begin.
We did no light the fuse,
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object. The direction of the force on the first object is opposite to the direction of the force on the second object. Forces always come in pairs – equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.
………………some call it backlash

I replied:

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I understand perfectly what you’ve said; I’ve been writing and speaking about it for many years, first under Thatcher, then Labour and now this lot.

I feel as livid as anyone about it and I’m subject to the same pogrom; it is physically killing people as well as me, and has had disastrous consequences; I may not live through it now. So I don’t blame anyone for reacting the way they do. The more the government perpetrate such horrific things upon the poor, the more likely it is that people will reach boiling point, and when that happens – and I think that it’s more likely than ever now that the working poor are being targeted via tax credit cuts (I said from the start that they would do this) – then they will only have themselves to blame for the consequences.

I still stand by non violence towards other people; buildings perhaps are fair game, but are we saying that just someone has a property, then they’re now a target? I’ve cleaned for well off people; one family could have earned very much more than they had, but they dedicated their lives to good purposes. The wife chose to work with old people, taxiing them around, earning a pittance, despite the fact that she could have worked as a psychologist, and the man worked for a charity, despite having a brain most people would envy. The only holiday they ever took for all the time I worked there (because they couldn’t afford) was one paid for by the wife’s sister.

People would have envied their house, a rambling farm house inherited by the man, but they were trying to sell up because they couldn’t afford to stay there. The point I’m trying to make is that you can’t judge everyone by what they have, which is what happens in revolutions, everyone with money tarred with the same brush, when we don’t know the first thing about their background.

That said, I do understand why people react like they do; I flip my lid regularly (to my carers’ horror), and I make sure that everyone that I know, is informed about what is going on. But history proves that people following through with those feelings end up becoming the oppressors themselves, so I feel that we should learn from that history, though as I said, I fully understand why people decide to cross that line.

Someone else replied to me:


good point, sasson1.
Violence is tempting. But does it solve anything? And do people understand us when we get violent, or do they just see us as thugs?
I replied:

Thanks for replying. Yes, violence is very tempting. I was thinking back to Thatcher, and the riots that caused her to lose her job. Afterwards, the cons changed the housing benefit rules, and the council tax rules, as well as bring in Family credit. I was in abject poverty, though my husband at the time was working. The changes the conservative government made saved us. So, on one hand, you could say that the violent riots brought about such a change.

Interesting. Conversely, I’ve just been pondering on all the times I’ve lost my temper, thrown stuff, broken stuff, and it only made the situation much worse. I was probably quite within my rights sometimes to have done what I did, but it NEVER helped my cause.

Yes, I think that they’re seen as thugs and a mob when they cross the line like this, though I understand completely where those sentiments come from. People are dying in their thousands in the UK; I’m still shocked at that now. And Thatcher was an angel compared to this evil lot. I’ve always said, it’s a wonder that someone hasn’t tried to take the government out, because if you’d lost a family member like that, your rage must be tremendous.

We need to properly educate the next generation of ALL classes about the rights and wrongs of government, but those children who were inside that cafe will remember what happened for the rest of their lives; whether that is a good thing remains to be seen. Perhaps the adults need shaking up a bit, but children? I can’t agree with that.

I really can’t add much to this discussion. In conclusion, I don’t think that Class War will do themselves any favours by attacking such targets; as I said, the government will just clamp down even more, then none of us will be able to speak out.

And I’m sorry if I disappoint people, but I cannot condone violence towards others as a way forward, no matter how much they may deserve it, but I do understand. Did you know, that some of the businesses that were fire bombed during the riots in 2011, some independent businesses that weren’t wealthy, have still not been paid out by their insurers. It ruined people’s lives, and it’s a wonder that some ORDINARY people – like that woman renting above a shop who was photographed jumping for her life – weren’t killed.

There is a right and a wrong way of bringing about change, and frightening children should have no part in that, posh or not.


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